Bloodiest Fight in the UFC

[Clizownmothafackoz17]

Paullehh Wrote:The analogy is, UFC is fight and struggle, and that life can be said to be a fight and a struggle therefor UFC is like life.

No, the point is that the capitalist system is dependent on violence, thus violence is prevalent in capitalist society. Cause and effect. No analogy.

Quote:i think this is a single case where they may have got it correct.
There is a clear undeniable difference between fantasy and reality in these things.

You assert that even the moron can generally grasp the difference between fantasy and reality. Agreed! Thus they can grasp that the UFC is a sporting event, not a street fight. Thus they can grasp that they are not an elite level combat sport athlete (any more than they are wolverine), they are merely a moron. Anything else would be a descent into, well, fantasy. They may well fantasize that they are an elite level martial artist, but they aren't, and can't fight like one, so it has no concrete effect whatsoever. They can think they're Jesus if they want, but no walking on water will come of it.

Quote:Example: If you watch horror movies constantly where brutal murders are depicted and then see a real life snuff video you will still have a shock impact from watching the snuff video.
If you watch snuff videos over and over again then you become desensitized to it and it no longer moves you.
Same can be said for fighting.

I think that most kids have seen their share of real violence and fighting from a fairly young age. When I was a young lad I remember watching Baghdad burn, whole city blocks destroyed on TV. CNN covered it like it was the Superbowl, the NBA finals and the World Series all rolled up into one. It was entertainment. And it was the real killing of real men, women and children. The UFC's catch phrase is "as real as it gets." It gets realer. Timothy McVeigh fought over there in Desert Storm, then he came back here and blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma city. I watched them carry out people's bodies on TV. Apparently McVeigh was mad about Waco Texas. I watched that one on TV too, watched those crazy Branch Davidians all burn up, children and pregnant women and all. It goes on and on. Bosnia, the Rwandan genocide, September 11th, the new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is always a war to bear witness to. And that's on TV. I've been witness to domestic violence, shootings, stabbings, beatings etc in person. And I've lived a completely ordinary and relatively sheltered life. The problem is not that these things are on TV--it is that they happen in real life. Again, this real life fighting is much more real, and brutal than MMA, which is the least of our worries, and certainly not the cause of the real fighting.

[Star]

<3 alex

[dirtymonkey22]

everyone is talking about vionlets and tv,vid games ,music.......... some of the most famouse serial killers were people who wouldent watch stuff like ufc or play grand theft auto. for the sak of argument the B.T.K killer was a respected member of his church and seemed like a good guy .
yes most people are DUMB but there is alot of guy that go ino this for the disapline

[Insanecowposse]

damn clown you said it all and then some. Not everyone is going to react to all of those things you experienced the same way as you did though. Your example about the Timothy McVeigh is a good example. He went off in desert strom and also got pissed about some political stuff and blew up a building. How many people just like him went out in desert storm had issues with the govnmt' and did not blow up a federal building. My point is if your on the edge you never know what may trigger a reaction, But if your perfectly normal like yourself in a sheltered environment you are probably both mentally and emotionally more equipped to handle UFC and violent news reports etc. I certainly cannot say that I have the same or similiar reactions to violent news reports and domestic violence or even a real fight as i do by watching a Ufc fight. With UFC and all sports you pick out your favorite root for him her or them and look up to them a little bit. These guys get rich and have super hot wives and end up in popular video games, timothy mcveigh got executed. Not to mention you don't get a positive reaction out of any of the situations you mentioned. People do feel positively, happy excited etc. when they see a huge KO or somebody tap out when its their fighter that wins. So since it has a positive reaction it is more likely to influence you.

[Grimlin]

Insanecowposse Wrote:People do feel positively, happy excited etc. when they see a huge KO or somebody tap out when its their fighter that wins. So since it has a positive reaction it is more likely to influence you.

If it's more likely going to influence you,isn't that what Paullehh trying to say? Good or bad it's going to influence you.

And the fighter who loses I'm going to bet those fans walked out pushing,shoving and trying to start shit. Pissed off as shit....


I really don't watch sports anymore.I know what is going on(sportwise who wins and loses) but i don't pay attention to them.My view on them is they are a bunch of overgrown rich ass crybabies who get paid too much.That is said for pretty much anything you guys consider sports.

[Paullehh]

Clizownmothafackoz17 Wrote:

Paullehh Wrote:The analogy is, UFC is fight and struggle, and that life can be said to be a fight and a struggle therefor UFC is like life.

No, the point is that the capitalist system is dependent on violence, thus violence is prevalent in capitalist society. Cause and effect. No analogy.

Quote:i think this is a single case where they may have got it correct.
There is a clear undeniable difference between fantasy and reality in these things.

You assert that even the moron can generally grasp the difference between fantasy and reality. Agreed! Thus they can grasp that the UFC is a sporting event, not a street fight. Thus they can grasp that they are not an elite level combat sport athlete (any more than they are wolverine), they are merely a moron. Anything else would be a descent into, well, fantasy. They may well fantasize that they are an elite level martial artist, but they aren't, and can't fight like one, so it has no concrete effect whatsoever. They can think they're Jesus if they want, but no walking on water will come of it.

Quote:Example: If you watch horror movies constantly where brutal murders are depicted and then see a real life snuff video you will still have a shock impact from watching the snuff video.
If you watch snuff videos over and over again then you become desensitized to it and it no longer moves you.
Same can be said for fighting.

I think that most kids have seen their share of real violence and fighting from a fairly young age. When I was a young lad I remember watching Baghdad burn, whole city blocks destroyed on TV. CNN covered it like it was the Superbowl, the NBA finals and the World Series all rolled up into one. It was entertainment. And it was the real killing of real men, women and children. The UFC's catch phrase is "as real as it gets." It gets realer. Timothy McVeigh fought over there in Desert Storm, then he came back here and blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma city. I watched them carry out people's bodies on TV. Apparently McVeigh was mad about Waco Texas. I watched that one on TV too, watched those crazy Branch Davidians all burn up, children and pregnant women and all. It goes on and on. Bosnia, the Rwandan genocide, September 11th, the new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is always a war to bear witness to. And that's on TV. I've been witness to domestic violence, shootings, stabbings, beatings etc in person. And I've lived a completely ordinary and relatively sheltered life. The problem is not that these things are on TV--it is that they happen in real life. Again, this real life fighting is much more real, and brutal than MMA, which is the least of our worries, and certainly not the cause of the real fighting.

NO U!

I think we shall need to agree to disagree on the impact of Violent sports such as UFC.

[dirtymonkey22]

everyone keeps saying the stuff we watch will cause violents or related to it but the worst thing you can watch is the news tell me im wrong every day theres a murder,kidnaping,molestation.......i remember after colembine every school had a bomb threat or they talk about a new way to get high so yeah its the media more bad comes from people watching the new then ufc or boxing...
if you take the time to learn any one of these fighting orgs will teach you to disiplain your self. but you always have bad seeds look at what you will call a sport baseball,basketball,football...they all have had people in the last 10 years fuckup and get roudy

[Slacker]

dirtymonkey22 Wrote:everyone keeps saying the stuff we watch will cause violents or related to it but the worst thing you can watch is the news tell me im wrong every day theres a murder,kidnaping,molestation.......

the news isnt glorifying the violence

videogames, music, tv/movies and professional fighting kind of do

[sTr]

violent people glorify violence...

[dirtymonkey22]

the news does forcefeed it to you think about it who dosent listen,read, or watch the news you can avoid every thing else.

some kind of big murder happens you will hear about it with the news

[Slacker]

yeah but the news isnt graphic about it

they'll tell you the craic but chances are you wont see anything offensive

whereas last night i caved a hookers head in with a crowbar in GTA

[dirtymonkey22]

tell the truth it wasent in gta
but thats why theres regulation on stuff like that so you know what your getting

[Paullehh]

The news dosn't show violence in a setting where we are ment to enjoy it or it is to be encouraged or glorified..

[Slacker]

bingo

[Grimlin]

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That thread is almost a perfect example of what this thread is about.

[dirtymonkey22]

and he's one of the tards the kills it for everyone

[sTr]

!'m pretty sure he didn't ruin much of anything... except maybe, possibly music...

[Slacker]

he ruined his own anus by getting sent to jail

[Insanecowposse]

I'm sure he had help.

[Grimlin]

[Insanecowposse]

I remember that the guy was knocking everyone out in the street.

[sTr]

he must be the arab chuck norris...